I was listening to Ravi Zacharias tonight and as he talked about the Trinity a few things occurred to me that I hadn't really thought of before.
Ravi was pointing out the necessity of the Trinity when one considers the first verses of Genesis. If God were monadic in nature one would have to ask, if God is love, who was He loving before everything came into being. Also, since He was speaking in those first verses, who was He speaking to? Without the Trinity these questions can hardly be answered.
I have to say that these are some of the best arguments I've heard. I think that it can be said that while we might not understand the Trinity, Scripture inevitably points us to that reality. So in a sense we can accept the reality without fully grasping it.
This all got me thinking though. It says in Colossians 1:16-17:
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."
So could it be that when God created the universe that He spoke and it was the Son who responded and produced? Our we and everything that exists in our space-time reality, etc., an outgrowth of Christ? I'm not trying to be pantheistic here but, Colossians seems to say as much. Also, it says in John 1:14 that the Word became flesh. If it was the Word that created this universe and the Word became flesh, that is Jesus, was all of creation some how bound up within this God-Man? Is that why it got dark when Jesus was on the cross? Did the temporary breaking of fellowship between the Son and the Father include a breaking of Creation too? If Jesus is that by which the universe consists, did we nearly fade out of existence when the fellowship between Jesus and the Father was broken?
I have the feeling that what happened to Him on that Cross was so much more....I can't even find the words. I don't think that we can quite comprehend what happened that day. Yes, He paid for our sins but that cost I think is so taken for granted in some ways. Of course He came out on top but the agony....the Son broke fellowship with God....our Creator broke fellowship with our Creator....our Creator's unity with our Creator was broken....even a temporary breaking....I can hardly fathom it but my heart is telling me that that was so huge. Perhaps when I am in heaven I'll be able to fathom it better, for now I am just grateful that the Lord has given me the idea.
Ravi was pointing out the necessity of the Trinity when one considers the first verses of Genesis. If God were monadic in nature one would have to ask, if God is love, who was He loving before everything came into being. Also, since He was speaking in those first verses, who was He speaking to? Without the Trinity these questions can hardly be answered.
I have to say that these are some of the best arguments I've heard. I think that it can be said that while we might not understand the Trinity, Scripture inevitably points us to that reality. So in a sense we can accept the reality without fully grasping it.
This all got me thinking though. It says in Colossians 1:16-17:
"For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist."
So could it be that when God created the universe that He spoke and it was the Son who responded and produced? Our we and everything that exists in our space-time reality, etc., an outgrowth of Christ? I'm not trying to be pantheistic here but, Colossians seems to say as much. Also, it says in John 1:14 that the Word became flesh. If it was the Word that created this universe and the Word became flesh, that is Jesus, was all of creation some how bound up within this God-Man? Is that why it got dark when Jesus was on the cross? Did the temporary breaking of fellowship between the Son and the Father include a breaking of Creation too? If Jesus is that by which the universe consists, did we nearly fade out of existence when the fellowship between Jesus and the Father was broken?
I have the feeling that what happened to Him on that Cross was so much more....I can't even find the words. I don't think that we can quite comprehend what happened that day. Yes, He paid for our sins but that cost I think is so taken for granted in some ways. Of course He came out on top but the agony....the Son broke fellowship with God....our Creator broke fellowship with our Creator....our Creator's unity with our Creator was broken....even a temporary breaking....I can hardly fathom it but my heart is telling me that that was so huge. Perhaps when I am in heaven I'll be able to fathom it better, for now I am just grateful that the Lord has given me the idea.